DEFINITION OF SICKNESS AND THE HEALING POWER OF HOPE #Chapter2 #28

What is the definition of sickness and how can one overcome depression through the healing power of hope?  Detective work, sickness, healing, and self-discovery intertwine in this empowering journey for highly sensitive women and men alike. 

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This episode is for you if:
-You’re on a healing journey and want to explore deeper emotional and spiritual dimensions of wellness.
-You believe in the mind-body-spirit connection and are curious about how it influences physical health.
-You’ve experienced illness or chronic pain and seek new perspectives on recovery and transformation.
-You identify as a highly sensitive person or empath and want validation and insight into your experiences.
-You’re navigating emotional or ancestral trauma and looking for compassionate guidance.
-You’re drawn to holistic or intuitive approaches like intuitive drawing, intuitive coloring, or creative self-expression as healing tools.
-You’re exploring the balance of light and shadow in your life and what it reveals about your health.
-You value the power of community and faith in the healing process.
-You need encouragement to rest, reflect, and prioritize self-care without guilt.
-You’re seeking practical tools and heartfelt wisdom to feel empowered in your body, mind, and soul.

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Chapters

• 0:00 Gratitude, Pain, and Inner Strength
• 0:00 Introduction: Understanding Sickness and Healing
• 2:53 Mind-Body-Spirit Connection
• 5:55 Light, Shadow, and Health
• 8:36 Healing as a Journey of Self-Discovery
• 11:14 Ancestral Trauma and It's Impact
• 14:06 The Experience of Highly Sensitive Women
• 19:15 Embracing Self-Love and Awareness
• 21:23 Motherhood and Sensitivity
• 24:07 Comfort in Illness and the Call for Change
• 26:53 Faith, Trust, and the Healing Process
• 30:06 Cultural vs. Faith-Based Healing
• 35:23 Life Challenges and Spiritual Growth
• 42:13 Hope and Faith as Healing Forces
• 50:52 The Mind's Role in Healing
• 55:54 The Mind's Role in Healing
• 1:05:54 Connecting with God Through Community
• 1:09:09 Closing and Music

Transcript

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So I've worked with a detective out of Mississippi on a missing person case and they actually just recovered the body. He had Today, we are going to talk about what sickness is and what it means to truly heal. Sarah Jones, one of my dear friends and mentors, is joining us for this discussion today. She is an empowerment mentor who supports highly sensitive women on their journey to empowerment through self-discovery and healing. with Jesus Christ, which is awesome. have some pretty cool stories at the end of this podcast. If you're tuning in now, wait till the end. It keeps getting better. I promise. So we're we're going to start with introducing Sarah Jones. Hello. I'm so glad you're here. So So based on how you work with your clients and so forth you understand sickness. on a level that most people do not. Can you tell us what you see, what sickness is, and how you approach it and try to help your clients release it? Absolutely. It's a really big it's a big question. It's also simple. It's complex, but it's simple complex simple one of the things that I've come to recognize is that the whole is part of the sum and the sum is part of the whole so whatever is happening in one area is happening everywhere even our how we connect with the outside world is What's happening outside is happening inside and what's happening inside is happening outside and if we want more more peace Outside we work on more inner peace and the same thing can be said with sickness, whether it's mental, emotional, physical or spiritual, there is a connection and a flow between all of it. And it's also a connection and flow between all of us when it comes to not only where we come from and who we are, but also how we interact with each other, how we see the world, what we're doing, how we're acting, how we're thinking, how we're processing. I actually, one of the specialties that I do with these highly sensitive women is we focus a lot on healing ancestral trauma because of the combination of both nature and nurture and how it comes through not only our genetic line but also shapes the physicality of our brains through epigenetics but also our emotional intelligence and all the different components there and understanding that sickness, "sickness" is a, yeah, but it's a combination of nature, nurture. It's a combination of our family. It's a combination of our community. It's a combination of actual nature surrounding us. It's a combination of respect and love. It's a combination of reverence and disobedience. It's a combination of everything. If we look at it, I'm on a hyper focus right now with my own immune system. Funny enough, John recognized that Jennifer and I are sick right now. And I had some allergies kick in about a week and a half ago. I was in Ohio and the weather was actually warming up and then out of nowhere, I got slammed with allergies and then those allergies turned into a head cold and a chest cold and I've just had this massive discomfort and mucus and headaches and a horrible cough. So I've been pondering and I drove from Ohio to Utah and I started pondering a lot about my immune system and starting to see the pattern recognition of what's also happening inside of my immune system is what's happening inside of my mental health and what's happening inside of my mental health is showing up in my physical world and where I am spiritually and.... It's just so intriguing to me how integrated they are. So I'm, I am just starting my journey on understanding my immune system on the physical level that I've never gone to, but I got the emotional, spiritual, mental sickness thing. I got that one down so far. Would you say that sickness, I've heard it said so many different ways, but kind of when the aura gets weak, light versus darkness, when we're not in a very good place, usually that's when sickness takes over, when I'm not getting enough sleep is when I get sick. If I'm getting enough sleep, I'm usually good, but it's that time when I missed several nights and I'm just not taking care of myself. learned that when I am tired, my energy obviously is lower, but it's also a light that I'm not giving off, that it can't protect me as well when I'm not rested up. Or that could happen when you're having nasty thoughts about yourself or others too. It just kind of affects that light. It does. There's something that I find interesting about light and shadow, especially in the construct of us being sick. For me, I have found that I do get sick when I am in shadow, right? When I'm there, but there's also this other of shadow that's not just mine, right? So we look at, I make choices and I have my own thoughts and I have my own things. There's consequences to it. However, there's also then, again, we're gonna tie in nature and nurture again. How was I raised to process things? What did I inherit that came through these different lines? What am I picking up from my community? Even the definition of sociology, right? The individual impacts society, the society impacts individuals. And that's even on our physical health or the shadow that we might be in is also 'where are we at?' I feel in my life right now, I am also in the highest light that I've ever been in, however I'm still sick. Mm-hmm. have this whole opposition of life that is existing within me where I still struggle. I have mental health struggles. I am autistic and have ADHD and I have some very specific nuances connected to those with how my brain processes emotions and how I process stress and not stress. But getting sick, it absolutely does happen when we're in shadow, but it's not always a bad thing. Mm-hmm. can be this beautiful place of learning and this beautiful place of exploration and required for me to even recognize that there is light. That shadow of sickness, what Jennifer and I talked about briefly last week was principle of how faith and light can bring us into the space of hope. And I can't have that hope if I don't have that doubt. or I can't have that light if I don't understand the shadow. And so even though we do get sick in these spaces, I'm also the mindset that it's good for us in a lot of ways to help us find out who we are and why we're here and what we're meant to do and step into our powers. Cause with this neurodivergence that I have, I have some pretty legitimate gifts because of it. Like there's some legit things I can do because my brain does some kooky stuff. and. And I think that that's the balance that we have to also appreciate with sickness and with challenges is try to find, not even like try to find it, be willing to receive the good that comes with it as well. The journey. something to be learned here in appreciation for when I am well. That's a big one. And there's been times when I've been so sick, like with the flu type deals where I remember sitting there, especially as a child, and trying to recall what it was like to feel good. And I couldn't. It's so weird to me that when I'm in that space, I cannot recall what it or feel in my mind or I just I can't conjure it up. I can't remember what it would be like to feel good again. And for 25 years I was in a depressive state where I did not know what feeling good was. I did not know. I had never felt it. seen it, I'd seen glimpses of it, I'd seen it in other people, I'd felt it for brief moments in myself, but it didn't last. It was easy to get into hopelessness and just accept the sickness where I now believe that any sickness can be healed with the light of Christ. And I believe that wholeheartedly. Will it necessarily happen in this lifetime? Maybe not. it can kind of depend on us. It can kind of depend on the journey, what we're supposed to learn. If the whole learning experience for us was, no, you're sick your whole life, so you can learn these things. And it's just that kind of a sickness, then that's the purpose. But I'd say for the most part, if we want to heal God can provide the way. Amen. Right. And one of the things that I was thinking of is people can become numb to the sickness that they're suffering. Likewise, they can become numb to happiness and to the joy. And so it's almost like if you're always in that state, you begin to literally become numb to it. You don't appreciate it. You don't see the difference without. So, I mean, in that regard, yeah, you have the darkness and you have the light coming in, but it has to be utilized in the correct way. say that You have have to be willing and open to learn from the experience and realize that even if you're sick, can use that sickness to actually promote healing, wellness, because you can recognize good analogy would be where you are attacked the most. That is the area that God wants you to be the strongest, It's like, people work out, they exercise their muscles. But it's always, you focus on your weakest muscle. don't want, you know, If your arms are super strong, you're there lifting hundreds of pounds, you can't lift two pounds with your leg. You're going to sit there and go, Oh, that's, that's too much. Wait. I mean, I got to fix this. I got to fix my leg. I don't need to worry about my arms. I need to fix my leg because it's not lifting like it should be. And that's the same way with sickness and sickness, especially sickness of the soul, which is one of the things I can sense. It helps pinpoint where you're weak, pinpoints what you need to work on. And that's where faith, especially faith in Jesus comes in. It's like, all right, you've, you've shown me needs work. Help me out. Show me what I need to do to improve, to grow stronger. that's the, that's kind of how I envision a lot of that. and I also agree. think if you heal internally, if your soul is pure and your soul is quite, quite devoid of sickness, then you can have miraculous recoveries. Hmm. You know, I always say it's God interacting with you and helping you and whatnot, but you have to be open to receive Whereas one of the problems I see people get into, and I can tell you the story later on when we get into the stories section a little bit. But when people latch on to sickness, not only become numb to it, but it becomes a way of life and it becomes a comfort. Mm-hmm. so they don't want to get rid of it because it gives them an excuse. gives them a reason to become sicker, you know, to enjoy that life. And that's one of the great, that's, that's something very difficult for some people to overcome. Some people do. And when you do, it makes great individuals. Then unfortunately, some people who don't, well, life gets even more difficult for them. So. You said quite a few things that I'd love to touch on. ailment is usually connected to something quite specific internally. Like that pain, you can usually pinpoint it to a spiritual pain somewhere, right? a quick story about how that affected me personally. And then I want you to touch on this, Sarah, of just how you have recognized how pain is connected to the spirit. but I had terrible posture as a child. Of course, I was very depressed and my head was usually down. And I wasn't very happy. And I remember my mom would constantly be getting on me about my posture. Stand up straight, Jennifer. Come on, Jennifer, stand up straight. And I would try. But then inevitably, I'd be slouching again. And I remember going into the bathroom one day and thinking, okay, like, what do I need to do to stand up straight? What does that feel like, look like? And I remember turning to the side and looking at my back and going, ooh, that's pretty, you know, it looks like a little hunchback over there, okay. And I started trying to manipulate myself to stand up straight and I could not do it. The only way I could get myself to stand up tall and straight was to arch my back tremendously. And then it was like, my gosh, that doesn't look natural at all. Wow. And I'm like, I am shaped like this. This is crazy. I literally cannot stand up straight. And this was, I was a young teen, you know, this is crazy. And my grandmother was really hunched over. So I'm like, oh geez, am I already headed down that path? Well, years down the road as I am slowly and steadily healing, one day I looked in the mirror and I turned to the side and I went, whoa, I like, I gasped. I was like, what the? I looked at my posture and I was like, holy moly, I'm standing up straight. And I don't even, I'm not even trying. How did that happen? How did my shape literally change? I haven't been going to a chiropractor. Like something, like wow, what a miracle. I was so giddy about it. And I noticed when I'm struggling a little bit more, I start to hunch over little bit. And then as I work on myself, I start to straighten back up again. But that was very blatantly testimony to me of how much our emotional and spiritual health affect our body. I agree with that and what I've learned over the last couple years with the work that I do more specifically with individuals and helping them to process through life because a lot of what ends up happening with highly sensitive women is that we come from a lot of experienced and ancestral you tell us what a highly sensitive woman is? Like define that for the audience. So a highly sensitive woman is someone who is impacted by the unseen world of energy. Most often emotions, their own, they're impacted by the happiness or the sadness or whatever is flowing, the anger or emotions tend to be the biggest one. Or if something is low on energy, they also become low on energy. They're so open because most often it's trauma. It's not... Sensitivity comes too in a couple forms, but it's generally found that it comes through generational trauma has been the biggest connection I've found; trauma that's either abuse addiction neglect poverty malnourishment It can be a combination of any or all traumas that usually create this sensitivity. So our nervous systems are in this hyper aware state. We're in fight-or-flight fawn or freeze all the time. And so our physical bodies are always in this sense of like something's happening even if we're unconscious that we're always doing that. And we develop this sensitivity. However, the spiritual beauty of a highly sensitive person is that because I believe and live the law of opposition that where there is darkness, there is light, right? Where there is evil, there is good and that's how balance and harmony work. But when it comes to us in general and how we're functioning, knowing our nervous systems and knowing where pain is coming from and knowing where it's happening, our high sensitivity is coming from being in fight or flight. It really is coming and being in a very unconscious place of it, which means that we have fears that we don't recognize I have a program where I talk about it, but fear is societal fears that we can feel, inherited fears, empathed fears, which are their own beast. When you're a highly sensitive person, you're an empath. You feel other things. And unless you really know yourself, you don't know if it's yours or someone else's. But then we also have experienced fears that develop within ourselves where hey someone scares us or we fall or we can develop and create our own. So there's all these different layered nuances of what fears are and then you add the complexity of what doubt is or what someone's doubt or concerns are and you throw in all these different complexities and you develop these highly sensitive people that are full of fear without knowing that they're full of fear and because of that balance That's where I have found with my neurodivergence, a lot of my strengths come because I have all these weaknesses that are connected to my fears and my doubts. But I also have these really cool strengths that come in to help balance me out and to help teach me how to get over those. I love that John brought up gratitude. You And I have found that with sickness and pain, that when we can be grateful for it, it rises us above the fear. When we're grateful, we get to be conscious of what we're doing. We get to be conscious of where this is all coming from. Pain though, physical pain, if you start asking what emotion is in that pain, right? If you have knee pain, you're back, you're arched back. You said that when you started healing, it just naturally started doing better. I would venture to challenge any of us who's listening to say when you have a pain that shows up in your body, ask what emotion it is. And if you want to be nuanced, because you might be an empath or a highly sensitive person, ask, is this even mine? Where is this coming from? What is this? And where am I feeling it from? And start questioning. you work with God to find all the answers to it. And He'll tell you, He wants you to get to know yourself. Because we're going to go back to that greatest commandment is to what? Love God. But the second one comes with a caveat to love your neighbor as yourself. And if you can love yourself, you can love your neighbor. And He wants you to love yourself. It's a whole lot easier to love them. That's what He's bringing us to love ourselves. And when we're having these pains and these sicknesses, we have to learn. For me, I'm learning to slow down. I'm learning to actually say, wait, this isn't good for my mental health. Granted, I know that Christ can heal my mental health issues. He can heal these catastrophizing and my need for control and He can help to calm and heal this trauma and neglect and abandonment that I have. Absolutely, He can heal all of it. However, He also teaches me during it. And so as He's teaching me, it's like, here, we're all working together on this and let's keep learning and growing. And I love how patient He is with it and how much He helps us to get to know ourselves during this entire journey and not just like, here, you're just gonna be in pain. No, get to know yourself. Understand why you're feeling that way or thinking that. And then now I'm actually more conscious of who I am versus who society thinks I am or my family has thought I am or anyone. No, I get to know me in the process. So as much pain and sickness I get to experience, it's also been a really beautiful tool to get to know myself. Absolutely, and I've gotten in the habit of asking those questions. The stiff neck that was part of all that, like, I'm stiff-necked. I'm prideful. Ooh, ouch, you know, but accepting that or knee issues. Am I kneeling when I pray? Am I being prideful? John had a comment. Do you find that that women become more sensitive once they start having children because of that whole connection that they feel towards their own children? You know, do I don't have kids and I am a highly sensitive person. I haven't seen it when they become mothers. That's a level of energy of nurture energy that shows up. And the highly sensitive energy is more fear-based. The opposite of nurture is neglect. And so if someone comes from a lot of neglect, it can perpetuate and show up in a family of neglect, which would bring it up more. But when it comes to the positivity of nurturing, when a mother has that beautiful energy come in, if it does show up more, it's because she's starting to embrace the nurture and starting to recognize the neglect. And so she becomes more in tune with herself of like, I want to nurture. I want to serve these children. I want to be more in tune with these natural gifts that I have rather than shutting them down because of neglect or the lack of connection. That was me. The first time I became a mother, I was shocked at how little I felt. I didn't feel a connection to my baby and it was very disappointing. I'd hoped that I would have that. I loved my baby. I served my baby. the best that I could, but experience I had most recently with my son now, which is a 15 year gap, an entirely different experience where I did feel that connection. I did feel that nurture, that desire to nurture. I didn't have to force myself through the whole process because I think a lot of good mothers find themselves forcing themselves to be nurturing, but they don't feel it. And that is a good mom willing to do something that does not come natural to her. Like it's amazing how much strength that took me. It was miserable sometimes. But I did it anyway. And I wasn't the best mom, but I did the best I could. And I think there's something to be said for mothers who I think the children know their mom is fighting and trying the hardest she can. And they can tell the difference between those who throw in the towel and those who really fight. I do know the difference between having that nurturing energy and having it not at all and was not fun when it wasn't there. And I was highly sensitive, I think, before and after. But they also encouraged me to heal in ways that I wouldn't have without them. Absolutely. Okay. Yeah, that's coming from a question from a guy, you know, from a guy, because we don't have that experience. So, yeah. John, men are highly sensitive as well. I just specialize in women for a reason. Women come to earth to learn to step into our power. Because we're born natural nurturers, we have this funny thing that if you just look at most women, the pattern of most women are very like, no, I don't know this power. I'm gonna just step back and sit back. And it's like, no. Right now it feels like, especially if you're sensitive to the shifts in the world right now, it feels like women are like, no, it is time to step up. Like it is time to step into your spiritual gifts, it's time to step into your motherhood, that power of being maternal. I don't have kids, but I am absolutely a mother and I am maternal in that sense of nurturing and loving and stepping into this power that we have where we can heal the sick, where we can help those who are blind, where we can serve in capacities that Christ has called us to do because we are His children, right? We are His daughters as well as His sons. Whereas men, my hypothesis at this moment, is men are here to learn humility. Men are here because they're born with this natural power. They have this natural sense within them to like do stuff. I as a woman, I'm like, how do you, how? How do you think you can just do? And it's like, oh, you guys are here to learn to be humble through learning to become nurturers. And we're learning to be powerful because we were born with nurturing in us. And it's this whole lamb and lion principle that in the last days, the lamb and the lion, this masculine and this feminine are gonna lie down together without any ire where we are powerful in all ways, in not only physical strength but also in emotional and mental and spiritual ways. not that we as women don't have pride. Jennifer made a point like, oh, I got some pride. Definitely have some pride that I'm working through. I think, well, hence for me, that's why I think sickness has been a blessing is because my mental health. It teaches me I have to rely on the Lord. Like I literally have to. I cannot do things. And it requires me a level of humility that I personally know Sarah would not have in any other way. It requires me. My sicknesses require me to be humble and to trust the Lord. Otherwise, I don't think I would make it through this life. Mortality would be too challenging and too hard. Oh, I hear you. I totally agree. Yeah, that was a hard lesson for me to learn doing a lot of wrong things early in my life as my one friend Carl told me He's like I could see God looking at you going All right, you're putting the effort in you're putting the what are you doing? Why are you doing this? It's like you're focusing all your effort and then when God finally had enough He just gave me a quick backhand, set me down as I That's enough. Yeah. I, I admit I was, I used to be extremely prideful and extremely arrogant. And it was that in a way was a sickness, a sickness within my soul that I didn't even recognize. And it took some major events before it really dawned on me how much of an idiot I was. And I know you're not supposed to say that about yourself, but that's the easiest way I can explain it's like I of us are embarrassed of our past selves a little bit. I know I know I am. Yeah. And I think that was, that was also the really lesson is to accept who we were as part of the entire experience, because if we weren't that person, we wouldn't be who we are now. And it's like, when God looks at us, He doesn't look at you in a momentary snapshot. He looks at you from your entire life, from the moment you're created to the moment you pass on. He looks at the entire life, not individual snapshots. So it's a building process, and that's what's so beautiful about His outlook on things too. Yeah. So with that said, whole denial thing, how many of us deny that we're sick or deny that we want to be sick? If you went up to somebody who was sick and said, I think you want to be sick, they'd be like, no, I don't. But then I'm looking at them going, uh, yeah, you do. But there's nothing you can do to convince them. You can just see it. How often do we do that, percentage when we're sick? Is there a part of us that wants to be sick? And why do we do this? And why are we in denial? what's the deal? I have found the human condition. It's a human condition, but I've also found the connections with the very specific times are what's going on in our families, what's going in the dynamics of how we process anything. And I'm gonna keep going back to emotions because emotions, unprocessed emotions can cause us the most sickness. Unhealed, unhealed emotions, unhealed trauma, unhealed hurt and pain, where we have not turned and given it to God. can cause a sickness. And one of the things that I found the most interesting is that for me personally, this last year in 2024, I was taught that my faith was not where I thought it was. I could do some amazing things and I thought my faith was so great that I can move mountains. And God said, Sarah, like you just keep moving stuff around. You're not getting out of the boat with me. Like you're just moving stuff around thinking that that's faith, but that's not faith. Faith is actually relying on me. Like Faith is actually trusting me, not trusting you to do the thing to trust me, but you actually trusting me. And I think when it even comes to our sicknesses, we don't even recognize that these things have become our friends. These things have become so familiar and so comfortable that we become comfortable in the sickness, which is what John talked about too, is that we are so comfortable. I was friends with sadness. Sadness had become my best friend. My dad left when I was two. He abandoned our family and I had a whole bunch of, I had, no have, have, I still have massive issues that I'm overcoming about trust and abandonment and all those things as a 42 year old. I am still working on that. And the thing that I find interesting is that I had to become aware of where I was at to say, oh, sadness has become my friend. I'm more comfortable with sadness than I am with feeling content and feeling happy. Oh That's not and I didn't even see it. My husband when we were dating He's like, why do you make everything sad? And I was like, what are you talking about? Why do I make everything sad? He's like you make everything sad I was like no, I don't Literally six months later. I was in the car with my mom driving and all of a sudden I made something sad and God came in and said BOOM; you just made that sad. And I was like, ⁓. My husband was right. I do make things sad. no. Like, and it just all clicked. And I understood that as a little girl, sadness was so much more familiar to me than any kind of comfort or level of happiness. And we can do the same thing with pain. We Recently, what I'm realizing is that I don't give myself permission to rest. I haven't unless I get sick. So guess what happened? I got sick so that I would rest. Yes, and so in that timeframe of the last seven days of when I've realized my gosh, I did get sick because I wasn't giving myself mental, emotional, spiritual, physical rest. I kept trying to do more than what I, Sarah, can handle, which then got me, Sarah, sick. And we just get so used to it and we think, no, God wants us to go, go, go. When did He ever say that? When? When did He ever say, take care of yourself? There's a difference of when we're sacrificing to Him and for Him, then we're just sacrificing. It's like fasting without prayer is just starving yourself, right? If you're doing a fast of not praying and asking God to help you, you're just starving yourself. But if you're doing the sacrificing and the giving, giving, giving with Him, then blessings come. But when you're not and you're just doing it out of pride, because that's what you think you're supposed to do, then you get sick. Yeah and I could not imagine or like the idea of being happy made me uncomfortable because I'm like, How would I even act? What would I even do if I felt that way? I couldn't even imagine myself fulfilling that role or it was like awkward. But you look at that dynamic too, when you look at, so in my family line, we have something that I found last year during all the healing that I was doing. We have this toxic toughness. We have this toughness that we say we can do anything and we can get through anything. However, we just stay in the pain. We stay in the discord. We stay in horrible stuff just because we can endure it. We can do it. And God was teaching me last year, that's not what I'm asking of you. I want you to come to me so your burdens are light. Take my yoke upon you, right? Don't do this by yourself. Oh, but my family dynamics, that's all we've ever known. And that also means that in my family dynamics, from parents to grandparents and great-grandparents, the four generations that I'm aware of, they didn't rely on God, they relied on themselves. So me being born into a family that doesn't know how to rely on God, why would I magically know how to unless He blessed me with it? And in a lot of ways, He blessed me with the ability to ask questions. Well, at church, I think a lot of people think that they learn that at church, but I certainly didn't. I did not learn how to turn to God at church. I learned the principles, but it took my world falling apart and basically my heart being in a million pieces and letting God put it back together to have that light bulb of, Oh, this is the application. It wasn't so black and white as I thought Oh.... and it really did take that kind of hardship doesn't have to, but to understand what the atonement means. It's not about suffering or feeling grotesque guilt for your sins. It's about changing and letting Him change you. You're not doing the changing. You're letting Him change you. And then it just occurs. Like it's really that easy once you figure it out. Getting to that point, not so easy. Wasn't for me. Yeah, and unfortunately I think that's a common issue, regardless of your denomination, not teaching children, not teaching people what your church means. What is the history of your church? How do you pray? Why do you pray? I mean it was great when I got brought into the church. I went through, the six weeks CCD program. I did all that, but I would just go to church because that's what you did. You went to church and you prayed but I didn't understand. I didn't learn until, my first year of college when everything bad happened and it took my friend who was taught, who did learn, to teach me everything. And that was one of my first thoughts; I was like, Why? Why isn't this taught? Why don't we teach the children this? It would make life so different. Then I eventually discovered throughout the years that it really becomes like a, like a church by church issue, because I've been to some churches where it's devoid. When you walk in, you feel no energy. You feel empty. And then other churches, I can see children that know things because they've been taught. It's Like night and day and the beauty and the energy and the spirituality. It just blows you away. One time I went to a cathedral. The cathedral was filled with close to a thousand people, and they're all in their praying. And I'm like, I don't feel anything. This is empty. It's hollow. And then I come to a church that only has 20 people and they're praying and I'm almost blown out of my seat by how strong their faith and the spirituality. So in that regard, even when it comes to healing and being around others, you heal more around people that are on that same wavelength, that have that same energy, that same spirituality, because they're more in tune with reality for lack of a better expression. I mean that is the reality, that's the spiritual reality that people are missing, that's a devoid in their life and that's kind of In my opinion, that's one of the saddest things about this day and age, is just that emptiness. Yeah. I would love, can I expand on that really quick? To what Jennifer and John, what you guys were both saying is Jennifer asked like, how do we do this? And then John talks about prayer and He talks about what I feel is a big difference between culture and faith, right? Are we doing the things that we're doing out of culture? Or are we doing the things that we're doing out of faith? Are we serving and loving God because we want to or because we think we have to, right? But when we come to understand why we're doing things, last year, Again, 2024 was a massive year for me. But it was also the hardest year of my life. And so here we are with beautiful, beautiful opposition, right? The hardest year of my life, but also some of the most glorious ah-hahs that I've ever been given came. We've both talked about this on that podcast. In 2024, the acronym God gave He told me it was the Cry unto the Lord acronym. And it was WHAAA! And I was like, okay, what's this? THIS is when you know that you are healing, when you're changing, when you're growing. Is that you're crying unto the Lord, whether you're seeking strength or you're seeking healing or you're seeking any other thing from Him. It is cry unto the Lord and seek Him. You are willing. You are humble. You are aware, you start to acknowledge, you become accountable, you accept, and then you take action. A lot of times when it's like, how come we are staying sick or how come, because people are not aware. But if you go even further, and notice that was early on in the WHAAA; right? that was the first A is AWARENESS. And awareness is key. Awareness is key to be able to change anything. If you already have a willing heart where you want to be with God and where you're loving your neighbor and you're seeking being a better person, you have a level of willingness and humility that's already there. It just exists in you.

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Why am I doing what I'm doing? Why am I feeling the way I'm feeling? If you don't allow yourself to ask questions, you're not going to ever get the answers from God. If you never ask, He's not gonna force it on ya. He's not gonna say, hey, I'm gonna force this knowledge on you. No, He's inviting you. So once you start to become aware of like, wait a second, maybe something else is going on here. And then you can acknowledge it and you can be like, my gosh, sadness, right? I became aware, my husband, a boyfriend at the time, pointed out and said, you're really sad all the time. What? No. And then I became aware of like, my gosh, I am. And then from that moment, I could acknowledge and be like, I really am sad all the time. Where is this coming from? And I continue to ask questions and then I become accountable to it. And I'm like, oh, it's from the dynamics of my childhood. It's from the dynamics of not trusting people. That means I also don't trust God. There's an accountability of I'm sad because I'm choosing this. It's not because He's forcing it on me. It's just because it's become so familiar. So then the accountability part is I either get to choose to forgive my family, forgive myself, ask God for forgiveness, and I get to go through that repentance process where there's accountability to say, I'm so sorry that I've been doing this to myself. Like, I don't want this sadness as my friend. Sadness, we're not friends anymore. I'm gonna set a boundary and say, uh-uh, you're not my go-to. You can exist and be there. It's a real emotion I'm okay with. But you're not going to be my go-to person anymore. And then I get to that point of acceptance where I say, I can't do this. I have to give this to Christ. I can't. Here you go. I'm human. This is too hard. And then I give it to Him. And then He says, Now act in faith, take an action. So I stop doing, or I start doing something. And then I start the cycle again on the next thing that comes up WHAAA! And then I go through the cycle again. And it's the same thing that He wants for us is to continually be willing and humble, be aware, acknowledge, be accountable, accept that it's Him who strengthens us and who forgives us and who heals us. And then take action so that you can keep moving forward and keep learning. Because faith is action. You can't just sit still. Faith is getting off the boat and walking on the water with Him. Faith is getting out of the boat. Like Peter, for those who don't know this story. He walked on the water towards Christ. Yeah; absolutely. And I love the class that I took with you about releasing fear, where we talked about this. And it was so cool then, and thank you for bringing it up now. Yeah. And the other thing was you comment on don't be afraid to ask. That actually reminded me of a funny story how I started because I was so used to being told stuff and I kept saying to my guardian I was like why is God do this? Why is God do this? Why does God let this and finally my guardian angel had enough I and He's like did you did you just want to ask and I'm like I can do that He's like yeah. You can ask. I don't know if He's going to answer you, but why don't you try having a conversation with Him. And that's when that next set of my teachings began, because I actually started asking. And that's also a fallacy of the world where they keep saying, don't ask questions. Trust us blindly trust what we have to say. Cause we know what's.... No! people should ask and not be afraid to ask. and even ask themselves, have a serious conversation with yourself and say, who am I? What, do I need to work on? Where's the sickness? Why am I feeling like this? I mean, that's the way we're designed. We're always asking those questions. And if you really think about it, Jesus in His parables, they were always parables and His disciples were always asking, What did you mean? you know When you said that to everybody? What were you talking about? What's and that's what He wants because when you start to ask that's when you start to grow; that's when you start to understand and that's what He wants. That's what He wants to see and that's what should happen to you in life. You should grow always And with prayer, I know Sarah and I talked about this a little bit beforehand and I wanted to expound on this topic a little bit more. I think it's a lot like manifesting, even those who don't necessarily pray formally. When you are consciously trying to manifest something, it's very similar to Christian way of prayer, right? And Sarah helps her clients to manifest with hope rather than doubt. So will you tell us a little bit more about that and how that can... apply to how we approach sickness as well as prayer. Absolutely. So what I work with is that faith builds hope, hope builds love. Love comes back around to faith again, right? And faith is an action word. Hope gets us to manifest. It's our intention. It's what our intentions are based on. And then love is connected to our intuition. Why are we doing what we're doing? Why are we receiving these insights? When we come to understand why we're not manifesting, looking to the future of a life without depression or a life without a sickness, and you're trying to look forward and manifest this life without it, if you don't have hope that it can change, and you don't have hope that things are gonna be any different, or you doubt that they will be, this is phrase that I use if you're trying to understand if you have hope or not, or if you are hopeless, because it's more common than not to have no hope; just FYI. It's a pretty common human characteristic to be low on hope. But if you find yourself saying or feeling this is just how things have always been, this is just how things are, or this is how it's always going to be. Whether that's about your health, whether that's about a relationship, whether that's about your finances, whatever it may be about, if your mindset in any way, shape or form says, This is just the way it's always been. This is how it's always gonna be. There is no hope there and you cannot manifest without hope. And hope is Christ. Hope is saying, I can't do this by myself. I need someone else to come in and teach me. I can't see past this darkness that is right here. I only see sickness. I only see regret. I only see mistakes. I only see the bad, right? That's where you have a perfect Savior who comes in and says, to me. Look beyond that. I'm going to give you relief. And then you get to choose to have faith and believe Him that He's going to do it and that it's going to be there and that your burdens are going to be lifted. And so if you're trying to manifest or set your intention that you're going to have these beautiful experiences, you have to actually believe it. Right? You have to actually consciously say, Is there a part, this is that self-sabotaging energy that we talk about, is if you don't have hope, you're actually self-sabotaging because you can't see past and manifest anything more than that this is just how it is. This is how it's always gonna be. I can't do anything different. My parents, my spouse, my kids, they're always gonna look at me like this. They're always gonna treat me like this. This is how I'm always gonna see the world. This is how. I'm gonna always experience things. I'm gonna always this blah, right? It gets really sad and down and you wonder why can't I get better? Well, you don't believe you can. When you know that with God right Christ literally says all things are possible to Him that believeth. All things. Your happiness, your financial success, your growth, your healthy relationship, whatever it is; anything and everything your healing is possible to Him. It's you have to have that that foundation of belief and like even Jennifer said it doesn't mean that in this life everything is going to be easy or comfortable or it's going to happen in this life But when you can go internally which is what John talked about too is when you can go inside of yourself and you can find that peace and happiness within yourself, you're going to take that when you go to the next life, so you're to be A-okay so Just finding it and moving forward, but that's what I've learned the power of hope is It changes the world to become conscious of it because again remember I said awareness is key awareness is becoming conscious of things. Awareness is saying wait a second.... There's other stuff at play going on here that I myself and my pride may not understand are going on and are at play. So then it creates you to be humble so you ask questions and you start exploring new things and be open and you're not just blinded with these these blinders on either side saying, it has to only look this way. No, as soon as you start asking questions and you start getting answers and you start exploring, you're like, I can take the blinders off. Or God takes them off for you and says, Look, there's more. Yeah, when you are sick, you are blind. When I was depressed, I could not see the way out. I had no clue. When I finally gave it up and handed it over, I didn't know what it was going to look like. I'm like, this is impossible, but I know you can do impossible things. Thank you. And it's literally all the miracles that came after that were nothing I had ever heard of, ever done. The people that just came forward, gave me things. offered me a suggestion, it was just, it was all there. God was just waiting for me to say, Okay I give up, you do it. Literally, He was just like, FINALLY! I could not see any of it, and I never would have. you are sick, you have to understand that you cannot see the solutions. And just cause you can't see them, does not mean that they don't exist. They exist. You have to just believe in God that He knows. what they are, even if you don't, even if you've tried everything you know. And I've heard it so many times, I've said this before, but, I've tried everything. No, you have not. If you tried everything, you would be healed. Because God knows what you need. And and that's the other thing people have to realize --going into pride-- when we want something It's what we want. You have to really let go and realize, This is what I would like God, It's in His way will give you what you need. Not necessarily the way that you envision it And you have to be willing to accept that part of it as well. And personally, I think God has a little bit of fun with that. His way is always better. So no matter what method of healing you think might be good for you in a sense, when give it up to God and you ask God to generate the healing to help you heal.... The way He does it is like a thousand times better than if you had gone with your original thought or your idea and that's also really important to do is when you let go realize you're really letting go and letting God do what He does best and running with it and just be aware that if He's going to laugh you should laugh with Him you know because sometimes He has a sense of humor; He has a serious sense of humor. I've learned that one Yes, I've learned that one. He's done a few things and I've just been like, gosh, really? You know? Yeah, He does. He has a good sense. I have a story about sickness that I wanted to insert at some point before we talk about your intuitive drawings. If there's anything else you guys want to say about sickness, we could definitely do that. But I just wanted to demonstrate the power of the mind in how sickness works. So when I was in second grade, my best friend, had fever. She was complaining on the playground that, I don't feel good. Oh, you know, just doing that. And all the kids were surrounding her and going, poor Heather. Oh, poor Heather. And she was getting all of this attention from being sick. So I got the bright idea to pretend to be sick. So I started going, I don't feel good either. And then I started getting attention, right? And this went on for a few minutes. And one of playground ladies was like, what is this big group? What's going on over here? Because all the kids were doting over us. Oh, poor Heather, poor Jennifer. And she comes over and she feels Heather's head. And then she feels my head and goes, you need to go to the nurse. She didn't send Heather to the nurse. I gave myself a 104 degree fever. I've never had a fever that high since. I was stuck at the nurse's office all day because they couldn't get a hold of my mom. And I didn't know how to make it go away. But I knew I was not sick. And I knew I gave myself that fever. But I didn't know how to undo what I'd done. But I realized in that moment as a second grader the power of the mind. And I never consciously tried to do that ever again. But if we can make ourselves sick, we can also make ourselves better. Amen. That we can. can absolutely. And God wants us to. He wants us, He wants us to believe in His miracles. He wants us to connect with His creation power. He wants us to align with His will. He wants us to be happy. He has mansions prepared for us. He has the abundance of life prepared for us. He doesn't want us to live in squalor, but He wants us to choose. He wants us to learn and question and grow and get to know Him and rely on Him. And there's all these components that sickness, as hard as it is, is one of those things that can teach us if we're humble enough to seek Him and to say, oh, I can't do this by myself. I can't get over this at all. My mental health, my neurodivergence, I can't get over this. Like it's in here. It's the biology of my brain as well, right? It's not just other things, but He's like, all right, let's give you some tools, Sarah, to help reconnect some of your neuro, right? Let's get you some healthy pathways created. You're gonna still have these certain things happen and you're gonna still have these sensations going on in your system and these nuances that you can't not do, but I'm gonna mild them down for you over time when you learn to rely on Me. And it's been the coolest thing to transition and know that I have the power within me because I am His. and we get to do that. There's one other thing that I want to mention is we keep talking about relying on God relying on Jesus and that's accurate. At the same time Love thy neighbor. Don't forget whenever someone is sick, it gives other people the opportunity to come in and aid you and it grows that whole community of awareness of wellness. and allows It allows people to act in a way that's pleasing to God. if you are sick, yes, you need to trust God. You need to listen to Jesus, but a lot of ways that He does that is through others. You know, He will send you help through others. might send you Sarah. He might send you Jennifer. You never know. And you have to be willing to accept that as His solution. That always goes back to that funny cartoon. The guy was stranded on the top of his house during a flood. Helicopter came and he's like, No, you can leave God's gonna save me. Boat came he's like, No, God's gonna save me. Someone else came. He's like, no God's gonna eventually he drowned and he died and he got to heaven and he's like why didn't you save me? And God's like, I sent you a helicopter; I sent you a boat. I sent a whole bunch of other people. What else do you want? You have to realize that that's also a way that God works and that's what He likes to do. He likes to work through others because not only are you learning, but so are they. They're learning how to help others just like you're learning how to be helped and how to realize you can't do it all on your own. The beginning of my healing journey, I did not rely, I could not rely on Christ because I didn't have that connection. I didn't believe He loved me or could heal me to an extent. I mean, I did surrender and I had that moment, but even after that, I had so much doubt. But it was the people He sent, because that's what He knew I could receive. I needed the people who could then be that kind of middleman so that they could connect to Christ. I felt love from them. And then they could slowly bring me closer to Christ so that now, most of the time when I'm ill, sick, I have the tools, I have the access, I can use God and God alone in most cases to heal myself on a regular basis. But that was not always the case. So we do need intercessors; need people who are closer to Christ than we are. And it doesn't necessarily mean a Christian. I mean, those who listening who are not Christian, it's just someone who's closer to the light, who understands that love and who loves us the way that God loves us, because we're not ready to receive God's love yet. Absolutely. I would love now to diverge into your coloring pages because you made an entire coloring book for overcoming depression. What the title? You it's Processing through depression. Wasn't that it? Yes. And it's like 40 pages, right? And that is one of... many tools that someone who's struggling with depression can use to start healing. And it's very affordable. You can get 40 % off with code I'mAquarius on Gumroad. There's a link on my website. One of the pages in the workbook that I just published, The Overcome Depression Workbook. You can get it on Amazon or Barnes and Noble. They're beautiful. But please tell us more about your coloring pages. What gave you that idea or the inspiration and then where that's gone. That is a completely divine inspiration. is definitely divine. Never in my life did I anticipate creating intuitive coloring pages to teach people how to tap into their intuition and their creation power and to better be able to feel themselves. That was never in my purview to even understand that was a possibility, but God knew. And one of the things I love that John brought up about helping people is my faith is on those pages as well. And so what Jennifer, when you said I wasn't at a place where I could do that, whenever we interact, and I'm a highly visual person, I visualize, I see things, and so these coloring pages work really well for highly sensitive people and visual learners or hands-on learners. And it taps into your creation power, which is your intuition, and your coloring based on what you feel, not what you think is supposed to be there. And it's a very cool experience to color on it and then have these thoughts or these memories come into your mind as you're coloring and then you get to choose, set your intention to let things go as it's happening. And you're choosing faith, hope and love. You're choosing to take action, set your intention and follow intuition. So you're enacting all these beautiful powers of God while you're working on it. I learned I had this skill set, six years ago. My husband introduced me to something called subconscious drawing. And what was happening is I was drawing, but it wasn't my subconscious. I could feel that it was a higher conscious energy. And I could be told a phrase or be told something and then I would draw it, and it was this unseen world of energy or emotion that was now on a page so you could see and interact with it. And that's what these coloring pages are, is I have tapped into the energy of what it is to process through depression, and in the case of the example Jennifer talked about in her workbook, that specific page is based on the energy of overcoming depression. And so, all of them have these different interesting feelings. You'll feel connected to some of the pages to color on. You'll feel connected with certain colors. It's a very, very enjoyable and simple process to start trusting yourself. Faith is an action word and if all you need to do is pick up a crayon to start working on it and start taking small action, it's a comfortable way to start processing. It's a lot less intimidating than talking through things when you may not be ready to talk through. or have any ability to even articulate what you're feeling or what's going on, but it gives you a way to visually see what you've been feeling. Mm-hmm. Yeah, so easy. Anybody can color a page, even looks like a child did it, which is what mine looks like. I will invite them. you don't have to stay in the lines? No, I invite you to actually not see them at all. And even John, that thought process of like, that's where your conscious mind is gonna try to say, No; don't do that; stay in the lines. But you have to trust your higher conscious mind that says, no, I want you to scribble or I want you to tear it up or I want you to make it look whatever, however it's supposed to look. And so I love intuitive creation for that purpose. It's not supposed to look a certain way. It's supposed to symbolically be what you're feeling. And one of the reasons I love the PDF that Jennifer's talking about the coloring book PDF is you can print out one drawing as many times as you need to. Because sometimes I'll give homework to clients. have to print that one out multiple times, follow your feelings, but it feels like it might be five or six. And then just work on it until you feel peaceful. Like just keep using that same page until you can process out whatever it is. And it's been really cool. to see that process with clients. I also, from personal experience in doing these coloring pages myself, I don't think too much when I'm coloring them. I just kind of do it. And then after the fact, maybe next day, I'll start looking at it and just intuitively some of the things that I drew will pop out at me and go, oh, I know what that means. And I drew it or I colored it, but I didn't know what it meant when I was doing it. So it's pretty cool. They're really fun. I personally, that's how it started for me. But now I get the impressions. I feel it now as I'm drawing, I can feel what it is. And so I'll take notes on certain things as I'm drawing. But not all the time when I'm creating a coloring page do I get the insight, just sometimes. But when it's my own and I'm coloring or I'm working on someone's energy specifically, I'll get it. I used to use them a lot when I'd work with clients just to help if a client was stuck and blocked. It's the fastest way we can help identify their block is, is start drawing their energy. And it's a really fun tool for professionals as well who work with clients to give. I'm looking and still I have someone I want to connect with, but I'm still looking to get it researched because I want to use that as an art therapy tool, like an actual researched art therapy tool and I wanna work with a neuroscientist. So I have feelers out for a couple of people that I'm gonna be reaching out to to see if we can do some research on it. That's one of the things that you offer literally a piece of art that's unique to them and then you send it to them either picture or, I don't know, maybe in the mail, I don't know. But it's pretty awesome, unique experience special, because it's like, oh, that's mine. you know. But will you? it, they're like, that is me. Like they can feel it and it's really cool. Yeah, yeah. So with that said, will you tell us one of your stories about how you used that intuitive drawing to know what happened at a crime scene? Because you did help a detective; you said--at least once-- and that you've sent information to FBI or police as a here you go, here's what I felt, do it what you will. We worked together that one time on the Preston Lord. Yeah, So I've worked with a detective out of Mississippi on a missing person case and they actually just recovered the body. He had been missing for two years and they just recovered his body the first weekend in February actually. And it was the coolest blessing. emailed me and what's interesting is when it's a missing person case, there's a lot of energy at play. There's a lot of this unseen world going on of not only the person who committed the crime, but also the victim of the crime. There's energy that's just moving around and sometimes they want to be found and they don't want to be found. And so what I would always recommend for anyone is just continually keep praying for everyone. Even if they're passed on, pray for them they're healing where they are and that they'll want to be found or that they can be. was actually discovered not by the police, but by a hunter, which was a tender mercy. And it was a really cool experience. But working with them, I got to also teach a class to their department on how to tap into their intuition as police officers and be like, this is a real thing. Yes, you can trust yourself. Like, But in essence, I'll draw the picture. The first drawing I did was a profile of also the young man who was killed, but the person who killed him kept showing up on the drawing a lot. And so that's when I sent it out. And I described him to a "T" and said all the different factors of what was showing up in his drawing. And the next day is when the detective called me and said, How did you know that? This is our prime suspect and you just defined Him to a "T." This is who it is. And it's a very humbling experience to recognize that God uses our gifts and He strengthens us in the areas where we're comfortable. Not everyone would be comfortable working with deceased people or missing persons cases. But I am, for astrology folks, I'm a Scorpio moon and I like going deep. And so it's a comfortable place when I'm there with light and when I'm there with Christ. But working with them was really neat. And the other one that stood out a lot was there was a missing person case in Utah. And it was a dad who went missing. And my husband was a professional networking colleague, like he had met him. And he saw that he had gone missing and asked if I could draw a map to help them locate him. And it felt like He had passed away. And I connected with the wife and sent her the map and found his body within 24 hours of getting the map. And what was really interesting in that case is his brother called me two days later and said, Can I talk to you about that map that you made? And can you help me know how you knew where he was? And he was able to describe for me everything that was in my map and everything that was in my drawing and how it was actually where he was. From the location of the campsite they found him deceased at, to the different components. He's like, I knew He was in the Uinta mountains. all these different components came out. And it's a matter of getting to know our gifts, but doing it with God. Any spiritual gifts, if you want to strengthen it, you have to work with the Lord on it. But you keep taking action to refine it and you keep working with it. And I couldn't do what I can do now with my drawings and how I feel them. I couldn't do that at the beginning six years ago, at all, at all, at all. But I can now, even without a drawing, I can feel things now that amazing to me that I'm like, oh, that's a huge blessing. But it's cause I've nurtured the gift with God. I chose to not be afraid of it. I chose to trust Him and say, this is weird. It's weird that you're having me do this. I acknowledged it because I think it's strange that I can draw energy and I can find missing people and I think it's weird. But I worked with Him and communicated with Him and He just He kept reassuring me and validating. And every time that it helped find a missing person or I connected with family or even in the case of like, you know, the Idaho the Idaho murders those four young adults who were killed. And I drew a profile of the killer and it actually is the profile of the man who's on trial right now. as morbid as we think some things are, it's also validating for us to feel these things intuitively. And it's not that we have to talk about them, but it helps validate our relationship with God when we have these small things happening, even in the healing journey. It's the same thing as we can validate these moments of, oh, I do feel that I feel this or I feel that. And validation is so important. let all the different things you're doing connect with God and follow the peace. Follow the peace. Mm-hmm. Amen. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Sarah, I value your time. You are amazing. really hope a lot of people listen to this because there's so much value in your experience and the things that you shared today. Where can people find you if they want to work with you? And what other things do you offer? Because you offer quite a few different things. do. Right now I have a free training called Move Your Mountains and it's specifically about how to use faith, intention, and intuition to get you through the fear, the doubt, and the indifference and helping you to really understand how fear, doubt, and indifference are your blocks in life. And that's a free training that's actually available at any time on my website at sarajonesmentoring.com/movemountains sarajonesmentoring.com/movemountains I also have a free course on intuitive coloring. It's called Release Fear of Judgment. It's a free coloring class and I actually go through the process of how to work with intuitive coloring and you can choose from a list of 20 free intuitive coloring pages that are all connected to releasing your fear of judgment. Whether it's about fear of judgment of divorce, fear judgment of astrology, fear of being judged based on how you look or your finances. There's a whole whole slew of them. But those are some of the free resources. And then when you attend the Move Your Mountains training, the training itself is massively powerful. It's actually my most fun and impactful training I've ever made. That one, once you participate in it, you actually will get 50% off of my Crushing Fear Program, which is a self-paced, at this time it's a self-paced mentoring and clearing program to help you crush fear, to help you to become conscious of it and to know what it is and get through it. But you get 50% off if you attend that training, but you get lots out of the free training whether you do the program or not. Yeah, and then you've got the coloring pages that you offer as well. There are several books. Yep. And if you just go to my main page on my website, all of these that I'm talking about are on there at sarajonesmentoring.com. Yeah, it's been fabulous. You guys are so great. Thank you again. Thank you, John. And I think we'll say goodbye for the day. Is there anything else we want to say, John? You had a comment? No? OK. All right. Well, until next time, folks, this is the Overcome Depression podcast. I'm Jennifer. And I'm John Onn. We'll see you next time. goodbye.