38: DEPRESSION CAUSES: FRAGRANCE VS ESSENTIAL OIL & OTHER STORIES

Overcome depression naturally by understanding fragrance vs essential oil and how they impact smells, hormones, and endorphins. Toxic compounds in fragrances impact your body and mind. In this powerful episode, Jennifer Stirling-Campbell and her husband Mike explore how scents—especially synthetic fragrances—affect your emotions, cravings, hormones, and overall well-being. They share how food additives fuel addiction, why EMFs are a growing concern, and how natural tools like essential oils can support emotional balance and healthier habits. Discover real-life strategies to feel better, think clearer, and detox your life.

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🔍 This episode is for you if you want to learn:

• How scents influence emotional health and mood regulation
• Why synthetic fragrances can disrupt hormones and cause imbalances
• What food additives do to your brain and cravings
• Steps to transition away from processed foods and sugar addiction
• The connection between essential oils and mental/emotional balance
• How smell is tied to memory and emotional triggers
• Why using natural, non-toxic products supports long-term wellness
• The hidden health risks of artificial fragrances in everyday products
• How EMFs from tech devices may be affecting your health
• Simple, proactive ways to detox your environment and body

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Chapters

• 0:00 How Fragrances Affect Emotions, Hormones & Health
• 2:28 Essential Oils vs Synthetic Fragrances: What You Need to Know
• 4:30 Food Additives, Cravings & the Sugar Addiction Trap
• 7:58 How to Raise a Healthy Family: Navigating Sugar & Smart Food Choices
• 10:22 The Power of Smell: Emotional Memory & Holistic Healing
• 16:27 Toxic Chemicals Hiding in Fragrances, Makeup, & Cleaning Products
• 27:45 Natural Alternatives for Cleaning, Self-Care & Home Wellness
• 35:50 EMFs, Technology & the Hidden Costs to Your Health

Transcript

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Mike and I are going to talk about all things smelly. How those smells impact our emotions, our overall health, and why protecting our sense of smell is important for mental health. Stay tuned. Thank you for joining me today, Mike. It's good to be here. We're here after we got the baby to bed. We decided to do a late night podcast. It's about 10 o'clock PM. So this should be fun. Nice date night. It's the best time. Yeah. Right. Everybody's quiet. So I actually wanted to start this podcast with a story. Back when I was single, and this was several years after I'd kinda gotten on the health bandwagon and started changing my diet and I'd purged my home of all the chemicals. So I went to my sister's wedding and she offered to do my hair and I was like, sure, yeah, absolutely, I'm not that good at hair. So she was doing my hair, I was one of the bridesmaids and she used her products, her hairspray, which is fine. I'm not shaming my sister's choice of hair products, but I'll tell you why they were probably not the best idea for someone who struggles with depression. Because I noticed that entire day I was a little bit more on edge, a little bit more pessimistic, just not real cheerful. And I was kind of thinking, gosh, what's wrong with me? It's my sister's wedding. I should be more happy lots of good food, good company, what's going on. And as I started thinking about it, I realized it was the hairspray. Like I even prayed about it, like, well, what's going on with me? And I go, it's the hairspray, Jennifer. What? Really? The hairspray? And I realized as I did some of the research on some of the chemicals in hairsprays that the fragrances in particular, the perfumes and the other chemicals in it can be endocrine, disrupting, hormonal disrupting, it can kind of mess with our mood. because smells and fragrances to the emotional center of our brain, which It taps into metabolism as well. endocrine system is, in charge of, all of the hormonal functions of the body and, metabolism is part of that function. Yeah, makes sense. So I want to talk about why we need to be focusing more on real scents, real flowers. Essential oils are a real product, but it has to be the right essential oil. Again, talking about more of that in a minute, because there's a lot of essential oils that aren't processed correctly. they're more like a synthetic than an essential oil. So the essential oils that I buy are from Indigo Mountain Health and Wellness or doTERRA. Young Living I've heard good things about as well. But anything isn't a real scent from a natural source is going to put stress on the body just like food does. And going into that just a little bit, because I read an article about that recently. But they were talking about the quote unquote natural flavors that aren't actually natural flavors that they're putting in the food that I have for years. And how these natural flavors are enhanced. They're designed to be very strong so that they really, really stimulate the salivary glands to the extent that you salivate more than you normally would when you eat a regular meal with real food. One thing this does is that it makes the food more addictive because you want more of it. You think you're more hungry and you're going back for more when you're really not, you're just salivating more. And the enhanced flavor makes it so that when you eat regular, real food with just normal spices and maybe some salt you're not going to necessarily appreciate. the normal food anymore, you're gonna want the stuff with the additives in it. I can attest to that. Yeah, like regular fruits and vegetables, they're like, man, no thank you, yucky. you know, Even if it's seemingly healthy food, like you go to even more of healthier choices for eating out and they chemicals are in the food that, leave you wanting more. they all kind of have their own signature take and smell. You walk into Burger King, it smells different than McDonald's when you walk into McDonald's, it smells different. Very true. I didn't really think about that. Yeah. It is a science that they do put into the food to make you want to come back for more. Well, as a kid, McDonald's in particular does a really good job of marketing to kids. Cause as a child, my mom never mentioned McDonald's and I was always begging her to go because of The commercials were so good. And yeah, that is a really good point that the smell like you go into McDonald's and it smells like McDonald's. As a child, you're going, this is McDonald's. I love McDonald's and have the play place. It's the fries, really. I think I think the fries are the thing that stands out the most in McDonald's. along with their ice cream cone. Whocan pass up a 99 cent ice cream cone? Oh no, it was 49 cents when I was in college, maybe even 42 at one point. And I got that ice cream cone on a regular basis until I think I finally figured out that it wasn't milk at all. Like Basically their entire ice cream is chemicals. But it tasted good. Like, holy cow. Yeah, yeah. For that price, was like, mm-mm. The fat-free sour cream. Like, why? that be possible that sour cream could be fat free? Well it's not because one time I looked at what I was buying and I was like my gosh there's no sour cream in this it's just chemicals that was kind of awakening but as I cleaned up my diet it took me years to detox and stop craving these foods but once I did.... Because People will tell me, couldn't possibly live that way. would be miserable. I would just want to be happy eating what I want. And I'm like, you don't get it. Once I stopped being addicted to this food, I love the healthy food. I crave the healthy food, the fruits, the vegetables, the smoothies, the beans, all of nourishing, like Ezekiel bread. I I want it. And it has flavor to me. And the other stuff just... tastes to me like fake. literally tastes like this isn't food. And interesting that it took me a long time to get to that point, but I do not want it. If I have to eat it, because that's all that's available, I will, but it's definitely not what I choose. It's more whole food, stepping away from the sugar more than anything. And that's the hardest thing I've struggled with. You're doing good. you've been making big strides. Well, the last month or so has been pretty good actually. you want to tell our audience what you've done to kind of wean yourself off? Cause I feel like it does take kind of a weaning process. I think mental awareness is important. First of all, a desire to change. natural habits, we pass by a gas station, we pass by fast food places, and triggered, and once again, the smell, right? when it's about noon time, a lot of these restaurants are firing up their grills and... They purposely want people to smell their restaurant and what's cooking. isn't necessarily a bad thing if you've got good food. Oh, absolutely. But I'm just saying you're out and about and you're consciously aware of these things, that draw you in. Like Sometimes you find yourself pulling into a gas station and then the reality hits. Why am I here? Oh, Well, I stop here every day on my way to work. but why? it's. and it's to get that little sugar fix or that AM, get up and go, whatever it might be, drink, whatever it is. so being able to. unconsciously not keep driving. Yeah, just keep driving or intentionally prepare something before you leave that can help wean you off that might be a healthier choice you've been doing these Zevia drinks instead of sodas, right? So you haven't done soda in a long time, but while you haven't been doing sugar, the Zevia is kind of the fix for you because it has stevia in it. Yeah, it's good. don't want to fully endorse that either, but I think it's a step in a better direction, least getting away from high-fructose corn syrup. Yeah, I had to use stevia to wean off of sugar. Like there was no way I would have survived if I couldn't have had my lemon water with stevia added to It was brutal. soda, is something that's always been super desirable. for me. that flavor is something that correlates to childhood and, good memories. And that's not, that's not horrible. It's good to have that. I wish so badly that it was part of our culture to use better sweeteners, raw honey, brown rice syrup, even coconut sugar is a step up, maple syrup. It's so prolific. Sugar everywhere. You can't go to any social gathering without it being present. And it's really hard, a mom, trying to navigate, doesn't make me want to go anywhere with my kids because I know I'll have to fight them over sugar thing. The day is coming when we're going to need our immune systems thriving and abundant of people think I'm too extreme and crazy because I really do make an effort. My two and a half year old has not had sugar pretty much at all but he eats really well. Well, it's interesting he actually eats the whole foods. Like he'll, crave a carrot, he just eats a Kiwi like an apple. He just eats it. Oh, the skin and everything. The skin and everything. And it's so fun to watch. He just grabs it out of the fridge. He goes and he sits down on his toy box and he's looking eating this whole. That's his treat. He's just so happy. He's savoring this Kiwi contently. Yeah. And as a child, I remember not being able to wait until I got my next sugar fix. really couldn't. I was always after the treats, the where's dessert, Where I grew up, we had dirt bikes that we would ride to the rest area where there were vending machines to get a soda pop. about eight miles away? maybe 10 miles, but we would ride our bikes the back way and jump over the fence and get our soda pops and think we were pretty cool. And what if the world only had fruit juice? as you get older, you really realize how much sugar messes up your digestive system. It took It didin't take me that long because as an athlete, we were in seventh grade and I didn't ever really like soda that much. It wasn't really my thing, but the coaches....

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us You will not drink soda if you're on this team. And I agreed. no worries, no problem. As a reward, the school gave all the kids a soda one day. And I can't remember what we did to earn this reward, but I thought, well, wouldn't it be a shame to let this go to waste and I ended up drinking it and so did everybody else. And we were all dying, dying that day in practice. I could not believe the difference just that one soda had on every single person who was running that day. It was like, my heck. Cause if you're competing at that level, you might not necessarily recognize how much that would affect your body or drain you. But I was like, wow, if it's that hard on my body, not worth it. Never again. That was the last soda I ever drank. just had no desire to drink another soda ever again after that. It was awful. Oh, that was such an awful day. Like a hangover. I've never had one, personal experience around it though. Like when I was drinking soda, and this is interesting cause I don't get this with the Zevia. I'd have a male yellow on occasion and a Coke on occasion. And, I found that I would start to develop heartburn. And I noticed when I stopped drinking soda pop, and it took me about a week. my heartburn went away. At that point I could literally like whatever normal things that would give you heartburn and nothing. Yeah. And it's interesting. asked a friend of mine, a mentor when I was just newly married and my husband was having trouble with heartburn. And I'm like, well, what herbs can help with heartburn? And she's like, well, you actually just have to eat better. And I was like, Because I was wanting a quick fix, you know, but you actually have to change your system. You have to change what you're putting into it. And if you're doing a lot of acidic foods, antacids, You're doing harm to your body more than helping. If you're doing that, don't take antacids. Figure out something else, please. can damage your system. to point where even if you do kind of revert back and you make a change, it might take a while. Oh, it does. And that's why so many people give up because they want immediate results. And it takes sometimes months, occasionally years really see results. And sometimes it's really a lot sooner, not a quick fix to undo past 20 30, 40 years of what you've been putting into it. If you've been doing it that long, you got to build a new body. a lot of phases your body's gonna go through in that recovery before it gets back to where it was before you started drinking soda pop. I mean, it's gonna fight to get back there again. Body's amazing. You build a new body every seven years. That's a fact, which is pretty cool to think about. Whatever you're putting in your body right now, you look seven years ahead, you're going to have a completely new body every cell replaced. And I know that seems like a long time away, but you're gonna get to seven years in the future faster than you think. And then do you really wanna get seven years in the future and go, I wish I'd taken better care of myself? Build something you can be proud of is all I'm suggesting. all gonna get older, but you can still have a thriving, amazing body. Getting older doesn't mean falling apart. When I die, I hope my heart gets old and it eventually stops beating. I don't think that any one of us needs to become decrepit, suffering, breaking apart. Yeah, I've been thinking a lot about that. I'm like, you know, you don't really realize what you have until you can't use it anymore sometimes. Especially your back. And I've noticed yoga has been one of the most helpful things And when I ignore it because I'm feeling good, think you don't Isn't that the thing though? As soon as we start feeling good, we stop doing the things that work. I mean, that's everybody. Like it's really easy to do that. feeling great. think I can cheat. So I want to get back to the talk about smells because that's what this podcast is about. This book I have, made by Young Living. It's called Essential Oils. Desk Reference, 4th Edition. It's a beast of a book. I think I paid $80 for it years ago. It's like a textbook, for college or something. I never read the whole thing, but it's a really good reference, and I was looking at some of my notes, and remembered that it says- I'm just gonna read it- the chemistry of essential oils is very complex. Each one may contain hundreds of different chemical compounds that balance and counteract each other. In other words, it's hard to overdose on essential oils because they have those balancing properties in them, like an herb does compared to The smells of artificial fragrances or things that you would maybe apply topically in creams and lotions and so forth give side effects of some sort. where as an essential oil, when smelled, is going to have so many different chemical components to it that if it was designed to calm you, for example, it couldn't calm you too much, like if you poured an entire bottle of lavender all over yourself, your heart wouldn't go too slow or something like that because it's so much, it's just being really strong lavender smell. But, I love, love, love, love essential oils. I don't use them a ton. I use them kind of as needed and I think that's how they need to be used. I do like to diffuse lemon and citrus occasionally or at Christmas time I have a Christmas blend. That's just kind of nice. Puts me in the mood. They're very cleansing, anti-material, antiviral. Don't drink oregano. Oh, that's really Really tough. We've, we have a tincture. I think I gave Mike a big tincture full of one and he was like, like, here, take was like a droplet thing full of it. It's strong. Maybe three drops will do enough. And, uh, yeah, there was a lot more than three drops there, but that'll, wake you up. Oh, and I have kind of a story. So. I was given Olbas oil as a gift from a friend for when you get sick, you're supposed to put it on yourself and usually you can use like a carrier oil or something, but the directions literally said use liberally. So I getting sick and I'm like, cool, I'll use it liberally. So I covered my whole body in this oil thinking I was doing the right thing and following the instructions. I wasn't doing anything stupid. And oh my gosh, I... got freezing cold. Painful, like my gosh. I was trying to get warm. Luckily you live in Arizona. No, it was so bad. And I was like under the covers, but it hurt like to have the covers on top of me. And I was just like dying for a couple hours. It was intense. I think it did help me not get sick, but I was like not doing that again. Use some carrier oil, be careful. Talk to people who know more about oils than I do. So yes, essential oils are very strong. Didn't kill me though, that's good. But this book also talks about the sense of smell and the science-y stuff. The sense of smell is the only one of the five senses directly linked to the limbic lobe of the brain and the emotional control center, which is so cool, so your limbic system it also affects the hypothalamus, the hormone command center in the body and the amygdala. And the scent of a special fragrance can evoke memories and emotions before we are even consciously aware of it. And I can attest to this. There's so many times where I've been just walking, don't know, maybe by a market shop and I'll have this random memory pop into my head and go, hmm, that was interesting. I wonder where that came from. And then I think about it and realize that there's a smell in that area that reminded me of that event. And that's why, because we tend to store anything with an emotional attachment to it, good or bad. So trauma or, the time we were in love, like all those things get stored in this emotional center. trauma? Yeah, anything intense. So intensive emotions of any kind will get- stored or just nice emotions. It could be anything, but anything that had an emotional response, we tend to store away. The rest kind of gets filtered and stored somewhere deep that we don't really recall. could walk by a cookie shop and suddenly have a memory of another time that you may not even have been making cookies, but there was that smell in the area when that experience occurred. I relate to that. There's, there's But There's an interesting smell it's a combination a warm day hydraulic fluid and dust. hydraulic oil has a specific smell, tractors and equipment and stuff. But that takes me back my childhood and working with my dad on the farm. and the In Arizona have really hot days that makes things really humid if it's getting irrigated. when I was running cross country in junior high, there was a corn field right by where we would run and we'd run in circles around this place. Every time I got to that field I was like, not again, only three left. MISERABLE! Why did I do that to myself? it traps humidity. Yeah, it's intense. Yeah. And when it wasn't being irrigated, it was nice. It would drop about 10 degrees when you ran by that cornfield. remember bad memories associated with certain smells, one of my sisters gave me her old perfume. after a really bad relationship. She's like, I can't wear this anymore. Just too many, too many bad thoughts associated with this perfume. Back when I wore perfume, we don't wear perfume. I don't wear perfume, Mike, you don't wear cologne. We do, okay. really like the way Mike smells naturally. I think you like the way I smell naturally. I'm assuming you do, you don't complain. No, you smell good. You smell But pheromones, they're a thing. And it's a little bit tragic that we have so many smelly things that we pour all over ourselves, whether it's shampoo or deodorant, perfumes and all these things, lotions that literally cover up our smell and make it impossible to actually smell what we smell like. And I'm not talking about BO, okay. That's a totally different thing, but like just your smell. I would venture to say that people who eat a lot of fast food don't naturally smell as good as people who eat a lot of whole foods because just what that does, there's a lot of detox that the body has to try to do through its sweat when you're eating a lot of stuff that it doesn't want. But, I don't know, Mike doesn't eat quite as good as I do and you smell amazing to me. And something that I was told by a previous boyfriend before I met you, Mike, was that the way that we smell, and I'm sure people listening can identify with this, but there's certain people that I've sit next to, been by, it's not B.O., it's just the way they smell, and it's kind of off-putting. It's like, eww, there's just something about their smell I don't like. And didn't change day to day. If I was going to school with them and I'd see them on a daily basis, they just always smelled like that. And... other people who just smell so yummy. And I'm talking about people who are not wearing a lot of fragrances, that you can actually smell them. And what he said was that when two people like the way each other smells, that's an indication that their DNA is really well matched, that they would be better able to make a healthy child together than say a person who could only tolerate the smell, but they really liked the person, so they married them anyway, and they had kids. So that's not necessarily as good of a match. And there is such a thing as being allergic to your partner in I'm not even sure what the science behind that is, but just interesting. But that we don't need to be covering ourselves up with all these smells. The only smell I put on is my deodorant and it's got natural essential oils in it. And a lot of people, use coconut oil or soda even I've heard some people using that and that works for them. Also some of the perfumes control reproduction as well So like a cycle or a period. can be affected by Yeah, can be affected by perfumes and Yeah. And I do feel like I'm pretty dang regular, whereas when I was young and using all the perfumes, I wasn't. So that's an interesting consideration. I'm going to read this from Dr. Axe. DrAxe.com. Up to 95 % of chemicals used in synthetic fragrances are derived from petroleum. which is crude oil. They include benzene derivatives, which are carcinogenic, aldehydes and toluene, and I don't know what either of those are, and many other known toxic chemicals linked to cancer, birth defects, central nervous system disorders, respiratory distress, headaches, dizziness, nausea, brain fog, and allergic reactions, including fragrance sensitivity allergy. So there's some, I feel like I'm a lot more sensitive to fragrances now than I was as a youth, but I think it's just because I notice. Like before, I was depressed all the time. I was doing so many things counterintuitive to getting healthy that I don't think I noticed the difference. Whereas now that I'm much more aware and sensitive, can't stand the smell of Tide, for example. It's just very off-putting to me and makes me wanna run. Or if I smell it coming out of an exhaust of somebody's... dryer, yeah, those dryer vents or those, those, sheets, those dryer sheets. Don't use those dryer sheets. Oh my gosh. What a waste of money. Like yes, more chemicals on my clothes, please. Like just don't, don't, don't buy those. I use the little wool balls that are supposed to help fluff up your clothes so they're not as wrinkly. But yeah. I will continue. Sorry. Some of the worst toxic ingredients used in lotions, shampoos, laundry detergents, cleaning products, and so much more include synthetic scents, often listed on labels as elusive fragrance because they don't want to give away their secret, formulas, right? That's their excuse. Many of those on the list are known or suspected endocrine disruptors, which is what Mike said, compounds that tinker with hormonal health that can trigger weight gain and even set you up for disease decades down the line. If you see parfum or fragrance on the label, it is a catch-all term can stand for thousands of different ingredients. And when you use a product like this on your body, all of those mysterious ingredients are absorbed right into your bloodstream. And again, like talking of clothes, use a natural soap for your clothes. I feel like they don't work as well at getting smells out. That's just... my experience. I don't think I've ever found one that works as good as Tide. But these detergents, covering up the smells with stronger smells. That's how they work. And my solution for this, personally, has been to do most of my loads on the sanitize cycle so they get really hot and they all smell great now. So that was my personal solution. Some people might... be opposed to this and I'm sure you could probably think of other things to do. Maybe use baking soda in your loads and vinegar. I've heard that works really great too. I just don't choose to use vinegar a lot in the clothes washer because it can be kind of hard on the clothes washer if you're using it all the time. And I want my clothes washer to last a long time. Electrolux, it's great. But the only cleaners that we really use around here are vinegar and baking soda. And then That all purpose cleaner that I use with the vodka for the shower and windows. Yeah, it's amazing. And I'll get stains out with that stuff. That stuff actually I'm really surprised because I've lived in a lot of places with dirty showers and they weren't always dirty to begin with, but they get dirty quick and you get the water stains and the... Soaps gum. Yeah, all the buildup in the shower. The riffs and it's all the skin. You can see all the skin on the side of the showers. that vodka mix that you have don't see it. Yeah, it looks clean all the time. And if you haven't listened to that podcast, it's awesome. It's the... shower spray one. I'll tell you what the recipe is. Save you some time. Get just a spray bottle, half a cup of hydrogen peroxide, one half cup of vodka, a tablespoon of an eco-friendly jet dry, but I use vinegar. And you can decide which one you feel more comfortable with. And then six drops of eco-friendly dish soap. Fill the bottle to the top with water. Ta-da! It lasts a pretty long time if you're only using it for the shower and you only do it once a day. But you use it for everything, it won't last as long, but it's amazing. just phenomenal. That would be the only cleaner you will ever need. It's so multipurpose, it's not even funny. It disinfects, it deodorizes, you can spray in the air if you want to. help with smells, get stains out. yeah. there's just no need for all of those cleaners that they sell us. There's just no need. You don't need them. So stop buying them. my challenge to you after you've listened to this podcast is to go through your cupboards, get rid of your stuff. If you can't afford, to replace everything right now, use it up, buy something or make something better. Like my vodka spray. or just vinegar and water, it's cheap. Baking soda, cheap. You don't need anything else. Don't buy it again. And as for some of the other stuff, like your shampoos, my favorite shampoo is actually a body wash made by Kate's family. It's very expensive, but it lasts a long time The other option I really like is, is it called? get it, for free for the next 10 years, because we bought a water purifying system and they bribed us with 10 years of free soap. And at first I was like, free soap, what kind of free forgot the name of it. pureandgentlesoap.com. it is, like I was kind of cynical, like I don't want your soap if it's not clean. know, sticking my nose up and he showed me the ingredients. And I was like, oh, okay. Like these are really good. It was pure and gentle soap. So I get shampoo and body wash is really good. Their hand soap's really good. Some of these other products, they're not as good as they market them to be. Like Miss Meyers, kind of, it's not that great. So I really am sold on the pure and gentle soap. It's a step in a better direction. But I really do like the pure and gentle soap. Candles, Get rid of your candles if they're not natural. Sorry guys. I don't know if this is appropriate for this podcast or not, but you mentioned this before and it's true. been in a lot of grocery stores. I've worked in a lot of grocery stores. But, the interesting thing that you mentioned was all your whole foods are going to be on the perimeter parts of the grocery store. All of the processed foods are going to be through the middle aisles. Anyway, I was going through all the middle aisles and I couldn't find anything that didn't have either high fructose corn syrup or your tocipherol ingredient, which is in all your all the cereals. Yeah, to do a whole podcast on cereals. I was so sad when I learned that I was like, why did I have to learn that fact? Yeah. Or enriched or bleached flour mean, it can be created. you can create a really good tasting cracker or a chip without. seed oils. Try to find crackers and chips without seed oils. Try to find anything those middle aisles that don't have seed oils in it. You'll be hard pressed. I'll give you a dollar for every one you find. You'll find like maybe one. It's hard. You look at the canned goods. It should be simple, straight up stuff, but they somehow manage to even screw that up. Yeah. It's hard to find processed food that I'm willing to buy these days, and that's fine. I buy pretty simple food. We eat pretty simple. Well, you go to the seasoning packets, the seasoning. yeah, they throw crap in that too. It should just be... Just basic seasonings combine. Throw that other stuff? Like why? It doesn't make any sense why they put seed oils in it. Yeah, it's frustrating. There's things I want to buy that I don't because they have the seed oil at the end. Like that's so dumb. Why'd you do that? But I do appreciate, I'm very grateful for all of the products out there that I can buy. thank you. They make tomato ketchup now that doesn't have sugar, only vegetables in them. They've sweetened it using ground up carrots and stuff. It's about four times as much as the regular organic ketchup, but to me it's worth it. Like I love that and I love supporting that. And same with the fragrance stuff. it comes to your... lotions. You can make lotion if you really want to or Melaleuca has an amazing lotion. Amazing lotion. I can't remember if it has fragrance in it but if it does it's not very much. It really doesn't smell like much. The deodorant, I'm all about Schmitz or Lumi. But you really do kind of have to dig. You might get a little frustrated at first but don't lose heart. You're going to become an expert at all things natural, because there's not a ton of them. So you learn what they are pretty quick. No, there's plenty. I would say even in cosmetics, there's cleaner ones and ones with perfumes in them. It's just like why. But the Melaleuca sells really good ones. I like Kosas. Just keep in mind, I mean, still live in a free market society. So the more healthy things you buy and promote, right? I'll be more of them because there's going to be a demand. There's going to be more of them. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. you if You vote with your money, people, I know a lot people say, that's too expensive. I can't afford it. But most of us can figure it out. And I know I've said that a lot of times on this podcast, but there are probably things you can trade one for another. m for your health. Vending machines will eat away your money. Stop using vending machines.

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I don't do that anymore. How much you could save from not using vending machines and put them into buying better products for your cosmetics, your lotions, your potions, your shampoos, all these things that will make you literally less depressed. I can't emphasize that enough. These things, they affect your brain. They affect the chemical makeup. And it's not just me. I don't think there's a single person on this planet they don't affect. I would say that they affect some more than others. Not everyone in this planet is chronically depressed, but if you were to completely get rid of all of it, it, had pure, completely pure water, amazing food, amazing products, you would feel a difference. You would know that wow, I feel so much better without this stuff. But you don't know because you're just in it. You're inundated with it at work. There are fragrances at work, but at least you can control what you put in your car, what you put in your house, what you're doing when you sleep. So, I we recently decided to unplug our wifi at night and we're hoping that makes a little dent in our health, right? The little things, it's just adding line up online. You don't do it all at once, but you learn something, you start doing it. you're learning The radiation involved with even 5G. Yeah, we figured out how to turn 5G off on Mike's phone. Mine won't because I have a different provider and it won't let me do it. Dang it. Which I might switch for that reason alone. But Verizon, was able to... How did you do it? Why don't you tell everyone how you did it, how you turned off 5G. It's an Apple device and it's available your settings. Just do a little research. It's pretty simple and you just switch to LTE and it's even debatable how healthy that is for you. 5G I would say is a step in the wrong direction though in terms of health. It's definitely cranked up higher in 5G. They talk about the radiation output of 5G. phone towers, everything. if you're interested in learning about that, the EMF guy is your guy. I love his stuff. His passion is researching and interviewing doctors and experts about EMF because it's such an untapped world where things were just kind of unleashed before real serious research and time was done. So we're now learning what the effects are on our bodies and it's a little bit alarming. I could be wrong here, but they were talking about the government regulations around cell phone usage and cell phone towers in the United States. The last update or change that was done was back in like 19. or 96 era as far as regulations are concerned pertaining to cell phone towers. So they haven't updated any regulations. Yeah. Hmm. Yeah. Conveniently. They, haven't done any research on how these things can really affect you. maybe, maybe these devices are really convenient. You know, it's hard for anyone to get real motivated about it, but until you start to have problems yourself and realize maybe it's because of the EMS and then you care. Interesting how people work. I'm no different. Well, yeah, we're both sitting here and we're talking about it. your phone here that's doing the video recording and I've got my phone here some notes and some other things on it. Very useful devices, but, feel like a lot could be done probably safer. just the sheer functionality of our phones, there's probably different frequency they could use or something a little bit different that, isn't so damaging. You go back to 4G or 3G, you know, How much are we trying to cram through our phones and why? Like, What's the motivation here? And it has to do with the marketing thing. The convenience is one thing, but a lot of it is attached spending money. things in front of consumers. Absolutely, absolutely. That's the trillion dollar. The trillion dollar answer. Good job, Well, we weren't going to talk about a lot of these things, but these tangents are good reminders. good info. Good discussion. Appreciate you. Thanks for being here, Mike. Yeah, it's fun. Yeah, well, we'll do it again. Of course. Thank you to all who are listening to the Overcome Depression podcast. We will see you in next week's episode. Until next time.